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Versification is the process by which a text such as the Bible is divided into chapters and verses. The Bible was originally written without these, and thus versification forms part of the Bible's paratext.
[edit] 1 History

The verses in the Hebrew Bible were added by the Masoretes, while verse numbering came later when Robert Estienne introduced them into his 1551 edition of the Greek New Testament and then into his French translation of the whole Bible.
[edit] 2 Implications

Versification makes particular sections of the Bible easier to find and to memorise. The arbitrary division of the new testament into verses in the 16th century is sometimes mistakenly interpreted as if the placement of this verse numbering system were equivalent to a placement of logical pauses (commas) or full stops (periods).
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[edit] Proposed merger

I don't see the point of this page, and therefore propose that it be merged and redirected to Chapters and verses of the Bible. The external link currently provided does not serve as a citation for the page content, and is itself so arcane and technical that it is unlikely to help most readers. Therefore "forms part of the Bible's paratext" may be the only bit worth merging. - Fayenatic (talk) 19:56, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Merge: In looking at the history of this article, my guess is that original wiki editor was not aware of Chapters and Verses of the Bible. Whilst the two topics do refer to different things, given the history of both articles, I doubt either will be developed well enough for the general reader to grok the difference between the two topics. p (talk) 18:13, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes Done The original version did include a link to that page. I guess this page was created for the purpose of disambiguation; if so, a redirect achieves that. - Fayenatic (talk) 14:17, 30 June 2011 (UTC)


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Chapters and Verses in the Bible

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Versification is the process by which a text such as the Bible is divided into chapters and verses. The Bible was originally written without these, and thus versification forms part of the Bible's paratext.

=== Versification Schemes===

Each [[Biblical Canon]] includes a different set of [[books of the Bible|books]] of the [[Bible]]. How these books are named, and numbered, depends upon the specific Canon, and, consequently, versification scheme that is used.



that are considered [[Biblical canon|canonical]] number 24 for [[Judaism|Jews]], 66 for [[Protestantism|Protestants]], 73 for [[Roman Catholic Church|Catholics]], and 78 for most [[Orthodox Christianity|Orthodox]] Christians. The Jewish [[Tanakh#Books of the Tanakh|Tanakh]] matches the text recognised by Protestants as the [[Old Testament]], but the latter counts the twelve minor prophets as being twelve separate books instead of one book; divides Samuel, Kings, and Chronicles into two parts instead of one book each; and maintains separate books for Ezra and Nehemiah, which are together in the traditional Tanakh numbering. Roman Catholic and Orthodox Churches also recognise certain [[deuterocanonical books]] as part of the [[Biblical canon]]. In addition to these, many [[translations of the Bible|versions of the Bible]] contain books which have not necessarily been considered canonical by their publishers, called [[Biblical apocrypha|apocrypha]]. All these books vary in length from a single page of modern type to dozens of pages. All but the shortest are divided into [[chapter (books)|chapter]]s, generally a page or so in length.

Each is further divided into verses of a few short lines or sentences - sometimes a sentence spans more than one verse, as in the case of {{bibleref|Ephesians|2:8-9|KJV}} - and sometimes there is more than one sentence in a single verse, as in the case of {{bibleref|Genesis|1:2|KJV}}. ''Pasuk'' (plural ''pesukim'') is the Hebrew term for verse.

The [[Tanakh#Chapters and verse numbers, book divisions|Jewish divisions of the Hebrew text]] differ at various points from those used by Christians. For instance, in Jewish tradition, the ascriptions to many [[Psalms]] are regarded as independent verses, making 116 more verses, whereas the established Christian practice is to count and number each Psalm ascription together with the first verse following it. Some chapter divisions also occur in different places, e.g. {{bibleverse|1|Chronicles|5:27-41|HE}} in Hebrew Bibles is numbered as {{bibleverse|1|Chronicles|6:1-15|NIV}} in Christian translations.

==History==
===Chapters===
The original Hebrew manuscripts did not contain the chapter and verse divisions in the numbered form familiar to modern readers. Some portions of the original texts were logically divided into parts following the [[Hebrew alphabet]]{{Citation needed|date=June 2011}}; for instance, the earliest known copies of the [[book of Isaiah]] use Hebrew letters for paragraph divisions. (This was different from the [[acrostic]] structure of certain texts following the Hebrew alphabet, such as Psalm 119 and most of the [[book of Lamentations]].) There are other divisions from various sources which are different from what we use today.

The [[Hebrew Bible]] began to be put into sections before the [[Babylonian Captivity]] (586 BC){{Citation needed|date=May 2011}} with the [[Torah|five books of Moses]] being put into a 154-section reading program to be used in a three-year cycle. Later (before 536 BC{{Citation needed|date=May 2011}}) the Law was put into [[Parsha|54 sections and 669 sub-divisions for reading]].

By the time of the [[First Council of Nicaea|Council of Nicaea]] in 325 AD, the New Testament had been divided into paragraphs, although the divisions were different from the modern Bible.

An important canon of the New Testament was proclaimed by [[Pope Damasus I]] in the Roman synod of 374. Pope Damasus also induced [[Jerome]], a priest from Antioch, to undertake his famous translation of the entire Bible, both Old and New Testaments, from [[Hebrew language|Hebrew]] and [[Greek (language)|Greek]] into [[Latin]], the official language of the [[Roman Empire]] at the time. This translation is known as the [[Vulgate]]. The Church continued to finance the very expensive process of copying and providing copies of the Bible to local churches and communities from that point up to and beyond the invention of the printing press, which greatly reduced the cost of producing copies of the Scriptures.

Churchmen Archbishop [[Stephen Langton]] and Cardinal [[Hugo de Sancto Caro]] determined different schemas for systematic division of the Bible in the early 13th century. It is the system of Archbishop Langton on which the modern chapter divisions are based.[http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07175a.htm Hebrew Bible] article in the ''[[Catholic Encyclopedia]]''.

===Verses===

It is presently unknown how early the Hebrew verse divisions were incorporated into the books that comprise the [[Biblical canon]].{{Citation needed|date=June 2011}} However, it is beyond dispute that for at least a thousand years the [[Tanakh]] has contained an extensive system of multiple levels of section, paragraph, and phrasal divisions that were indicated in [[Masoretic]] vocalization and cantillation markings. One of the most frequent of these was a special type of punctuation, the ''sof passuq'', symbol for a full stop or sentence break, resembling the colon mark (:) of English and Latin orthography. With the advent of the printing press and the translation of the [[Bible]] into English, Old Testament versifications were made that correspond predominantly with the existing Hebrew full stops, with a few isolated exceptions. A product of meticulous labour and unwearying attention, the Old Testament verse divisions stand today in essentially the same places as they have been passed down since antiquity. Most attribute these to Rabbi [[Isaac Nathan ben Kalonymus]]'s work for the first Hebrew [[Bible concordance]] around 1440.Moore, G.F. [http://www.jstor.org/pss/3259119 The Vulgate Chapters and Numbered Verses in the Hebrew Bible] at [[JSTOR]].

The first person to divide New Testament chapters into verses was Italian Dominican biblical scholar [[Santi Pagnini]] (1470–1541), but his system was never widely adopted.{{cite book|title=The Bible: A History|author=Miller, Stephen M., Huber, Robert V.|year=2004|publisher=Good Books|isbn=1561484148|page=173}} [[Robert Estienne]] created an alternate numbering in his 1551 edition of the Greek New Testament [http://www.biblestudymagazine.com/interactive/chaptersverses/ "Chapters and Verses: Who Needs Them?,"] Christopher R. Smith, Bible Study Magazine (July-Aug 2009): 46-47., which was also used in his 1553 publication of the Bible in French.

The first English New Testament to use the verse divisions was a 1557 translation by [[William Whittingham]] (c. 1524-1579).
The first Bible in English to use both chapters and verses was the [[Geneva Bible]] published shortly afterwards in 1560. These verse divisions soon gained acceptance as a standard way to notate verses, and have since been used in nearly all English Bibles.

==Jewish tradition==

The [[Hebrew language|Hebrew]] [[Masoretic text]] of the Bible notes several different kinds of subdivisions within the biblical books:

===Verse endings===

Most importantly are the verse endings. According to the [[Talmud]]ic tradition, the division of the text into verses is of ancient origin. In masoretic versions of the Bible, the end of a verse is indicated by a small mark in its final word called a ''silluq'' (which means "stop"). Less formally, verse endings are usually also indicated by a two horizontal dots following the word with a ''silluq''.

===Parashot===

{{main|Parashah}}

The Masoretic textual tradition also contains section endings called ''[[Parashah|parashot]]'', which are usually indicated by a space within a line (a "closed" section) or a new line beginning (an "open" section). The division of the text reflected in the ''parashot'' is usually thematic. Unlike chapters the ''parashot'' are not numbered, but some of them have special titles.

In early manuscripts (most importantly in [[Tiberian vocalization|Tiberian]] Masoretic manuscripts, such as the [[Aleppo codex]]) an "open" section may also be represented by a blank line, and a "closed" section by a new line that is slightly indented (the preceding line may also not be full). These latter conventions are no longer used in Torah scrolls and printed [[Hebrew Bible]]s. In this system the one rule differentiating "open" and "closed" sections is that "open" sections must ''always'' begin at the beginning of a new line, while "closed" sections ''never'' start at the beginning of a new line.

===Sedarim===

Another division of the biblical books found in the masoretic text is the division of the ''[[Seder|sedarim]]''. This division is not thematic, but is almost entirely based upon the ''quantity'' of text. For the [[Torah]], this division reflects the triennial cycle of reading that was practiced by the Jews of Babylon.

===Absence of chapters===

The current division of the Bible into chapters and the verse numbers within the chapters has no basis in any ancient textual tradition.{{Citation needed|date=June 2011}} Rather, they are medieval Christian inventions. They were later adopted by many Jews as well, as technical references within the Hebrew text. Such technical references became crucial to medieval rabbis in the historical context of forced debates with Christian clergy (who used the chapter and verse numbers), especially in late medieval Spain.See [[Spanish Inquisition]].

The earliest extant Jewish manuscript to note the chapter divisions dates from 1330, and the first printed edition was in 1516 (several earlier masoretic Bibles did not note the chapters).

Since then, all printed Hebrew Bibles note the chapter and verse numbers out of practical necessity. However, ever since the 1961 [[Koren Publishers Jerusalem|Koren]] edition, most Jewish editions of the Bible have made a systematic effort to relegate chapter and verse numbers to the margins of the text, as an indication that they are foreign to the masoretic tradition.

==Christian versions==

The Byzantines also introduced a form of chapter division, called ''kephalaia'' (literally meaning ''headings''). It is not identical to the present chapters. Unlike the modern chapters, which tend to be of roughly similar length, the ''kephalaia'' divisions varied greatly in length both within a book (the [[Sermon on the Mount]], comprising three chapters in the modern system, was but one ''kephalaion'', while the modern chapter 8 of the [[Gospel of Matthew]] was divided into several ''kephalaia'') and from one book to the next (there were far fewer ''kephalaia'' in the [[Gospel of John]] than in the [[Gospel of Mark]], even though the latter is the shorter text).

Cardinal [[Hugh of St Cher|Hugo de Sancto Caro]] is often given credit for first dividing the [[Latin Vulgate]] into chapters, but it is the arrangement of his contemporary and fellow cardinal [[Stephen Langton]] who in 1205 created the chapter divisions which are used today. They were then inserted into Greek manuscripts of the New Testament in the 15th century. [[Robert Estienne]] (Robert Stephanus) was the first to number the verses within each chapter, his verse numbers entering printed editions in 1551 (New Testament) and 1571 (Hebrew Bible).[http://www.theexaminer.org/history/chap6.htm The Examiner].

The division of the Bible into chapters and verses has often elicited severe criticism from traditionalists and modern scholars alike. Critics charge that the text is often divided into chapters in an incoherent way, or at inappropriate rhetorical points, and that it encourages citing passages out of context, in effect turning the Bible into a kind of textual quarry for clerical citations. The arbitrary division of the new testament into verses in the 16th century is sometimes mistakenly interpreted as if the placement of this verse numbering system were equivalent to a placement of logical pauses (commas) or full stops (periods). Nevertheless, the chapter divisions and verse numbers have become indispensable as technical references for Bible study.

==Statistics==
Except where stated, the following apply to the [[King James Version]] of the Bible in its modern Protestant form, including the New Testament but not the [[Deuterocanonical books]]. The number of words can vary depending upon aspects, such as whether the Hebrew alphabet in Psalm 119 or the superscriptions listed in some of the Psalms and New Testament are included.
;Chapters
* There are 929 chapters in the [[Old Testament]] and 260 chapters in the [[New Testament]]. This gives a total of 1,189 chapters (on average, 18 per book).
* {{bibleverse||Psalm|117|HE}} is the middle chapter of the Bible, being the 595th Chapter.[http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/midbible.html The Center of the Bible] at BreakTheChain.org
* Psalm 117 is also the shortest chapter of the Bible.
* {{bibleverse||Psalm|119|HE}} is the longest chapter of the Bible.
;Verses
* There are 23,145 verses in the Old Testament and 7,957 verses in the New Testament. This gives a total of 31,102 verses,[http://www.blueletterbible.org/study/misc/66books.html Number of chapters and verses in each book] at BlueLetterBible.org which is an average of a little more than 26 verses per chapter.
* Contrary to popular belief, Psalm 118 does not contain the middle verse of the Bible. The King James Version has an even number of verses (31,102), with the two middle verses being {{bibleverse||Psalm|103:1-2|HE}}.[http://www.biblebelievers.com/believers-org/kjv-stats.html King James Bible Statistics] at BibleBelievers.com
* {{bibleverse|1|Chronicles|1:25|HE}} ("Eber, Peleg, Reu") is the shortest verse in the Old Testament.
* The shortest verse in the [[Novum Testamentum Graece|Greek New Testament]] is {{bibleverse||Luke|20:30}} ("και ο δευτερος", "And the second") with twelve letters, according to the [[The New Testament in the Original Greek|Westcott and Hort]] text. In the [[Textus Receptus]], the shortest verse is {{bibleverse|1|Thessalonians|5:16}} ("παντοτε χαιρετε", "Rejoice always") with fourteen letters,[http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=5585 First Thessalonians 5:12-28], [[John Walvoord]] at Bible.org since [[Robert Estienne|Stephanus]]' rendering of Luke 20:30 includes some additional words.[http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=luke%2020:30&version=TR1550;WHNU Luke 20:30], in the 1550 [[Robert Estienne|Stephanus]] New Testament and the 1881 [[The New Testament in the Original Greek|Westcott-Hort]] New Testament.
* {{bibleref|Isaiah|10:8}} ("''Dicet enim''") is the shortest verse in the Latin [[Vulgate]].[http://www.latinvulgate.com/verse.aspx?t=0&b=27&c=10 Isaias 10] at LatinVulgate.com
* {{bibleref|John|11:35}} ("[[Jesus wept]]") is the shortest verse in most English translations. Some translations — including the New International Version, New Living Translation, New Life Version, Holman Christian Standard Bible and New International Reader's Version — render {{bibleverse||Job|3:2|HE}} as "He said". However, this is a translators' condensation of the Hebrew which literally translated is "And Job answered and said."
* {{bibleverse||Esther|8:9|HE}} is the longest verse in the Masoretic Text. The discovery of several manuscripts at [[Qumran]] (in the [[Dead Sea Scrolls]]) has reopened what is considered the most original text of 1 Samuel 11; if one believes that those manuscripts better preserve the text, several verses in 1 Samuel 11 surpass Esther 8:9 in length.

* Using numbers of pages in the CUV/ESV Bible, the New Testament comprises 22.7% of the Bible.

==See also==
* [[List of omitted Bible verses]]
* [[Parashah]]

==References==
{{Reflist}}

==External links==
*[http://www.crosswire.org/bsisg/download.htm STEP Documentation]
*[http://www.ccel.org/refsys/refsys.html OSIS Documentation]
*[http://www.crosswire.org/wiki/Alternate_Versification Alternate Versification]

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Origin of Urdu words

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1 Origin of Urdu words
2 Examples of Urdu words, Origin and Meanings
3 References
4 External links

[edit] 1 Origin of Urdu words

The article explains the origin of the Urdu words. Nearly 80% of Urdu words derive directly from Arabic words. Urdu words derive primarily from the holy Quran, Arabic words in their original form and meanings are often adopted directly into Urdu with little or no change to the original form of the word.
[edit] 2 Examples of Urdu words, Origin and Meanings
Urdu Origin Meaning
Sahi Arabic Sah Correct
Ghalat Arabic Ghalat Wrong
Hukumat Arabic Hakim Rule
Mauth Arabic Mauth Death
Dunya Arabic Dunya World
Aakhir Arabic Aakhir Last/Final
Insaaniyyat Arabic Insaan Humanity/Civility
Insaan Arabic Insaan Man/Human Being/Mankind
Aksar Arabic Frequently/Usually/Generally/Often
Imtihaan Arabic Examination/Test/Trial
Inaam Arabic Gift/Reward
Aulaad Arabic plural of Walad Children
Imaan Arabic Imaan Belief/Faith/Creed/Conscience
Badla Arabic Badal Exchange/Change/Substitution
Tamaam Arabic Tamaam Entire/Complete/Perfect
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1 Twice the lexicon of William Shakespeare
2 Contested deletion
3 Contested deletion
4 Contested deletion
5 Contested deletion

[edit] 1 Twice the lexicon of William Shakespeare

Cláudio César Dias Baptista, in opus Géa, has twice the lexicon of William Shakespeare's whole opera. That information could be seen in the page Cláudio César Dias Baptista but was deleted by Antiuser, with nonsense allegations and the page was semi-protected. You can see proof about Shakespeare's lexicon in the enter "Léxicon" of the Dicionário Aurélio and in the own book that is mentioned in that enter. Of course you can also discover by yourself how many words William Shakespeare utilized in his whole opera and compare it with the vocabulary present in Géa! Then you will see the Truth by yourself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.13.6.117 (talk) 12:34, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
[edit] 2 Contested deletion

This page should not be speedy deleted because I ask you the following: *For your meditation, Administrators of English Wikipedia. I know the En Wiki has rules. These rules are valuable and the fruit of long-term work of its members, without forgetting its founders, Jimmy Wales and Larry Sanger. Herself Wikipedia and every page that it contains have behind its creation and its existence the human impulse to friendship, excitement, enthusiasm. Who would create a page to present something that is not emotional, not something to which this value (and value is the result of emotion, not only reason)? Who would create a virtual encyclopedia without this magnificent engine that is the emotion? So if there is a page Cláudio César Dias Baptista and a page Géa on En Wiki, that's because there is enough emotion in people who created those pages; It's because that emotion and reason and objectivity emerged and turned the pages into reality. For the same reason, emotion, friendship, people find themselves inducted as members of the En Wiki devoted admiration and respect for Cláudio César Dias Baptista and his work, both as a specialist in audio and as a writer of Géa and several other books. These people, in launching these pages and their reasons for their entries here to ask for not deletion are not a 'party' politics, have no commercial interest or personal, but have that emotion and friendship and the respect and admiration for the writer and the work. For all that I ask the respected members of the Administration of English Wikipedia, the ones who will reach the consensus on whether or not erase the pages Cláudio César Dias Baptista and Géa, that meditate upon this modest paragraph, also the result of emotion, to consult their souls and their reasons for everything they do - and if they feel and conclude the same that I, do not delete these pages, which only bring the Good and the Information, besides being a milestone in the En Wiki, with this discussion in favor of Emotion and Friendship, and this does not violate the En Wiki Rules and the Reason. --187.13.81.213 (talk) 11:48, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
[edit] 3 Contested deletion

This page should not be speedy deleted because there is no commercial interest in it and because the book is extremelly relevant and have good references and sources. The following sources are not in the own page Géa:

This article shows the proof that the name Géa exists in printed books and also shows one of the starting points of the book Géa. The article also shows the dedicated work of the author Cláudio César Dias Baptista, his attention for the persons who payed nothing more than the cost of the artisanal printing of the technical book and his dedication for his friends. The article was posted by Professor Júlio Martins and the following link I extracted from his defense of page Cláudio César Dias Baptista against deletion in En Wiki: https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B4Imqu0xjVLqMDYzM2I1NjctMDEzNC00ZGY0LThmNjgtMTYyNWFiZGU2YmQy&hl=pt_BR

Please see also this articles from tradicional and well known audio magazines in Brazil. The articles are one of the proofs of the notability of Cláudio César Dias Baptista, author of Géa, here proposed for deletion.

From Backstage magazine, Nº8 (1995) - The hidden face of Mutantes (original title in portuguese: A Face oculta dos Mutantes)

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From Backstage magazine, Nº 27 (1997) - An audio Luthier ( Orig. title in portuguese: Um luthier de áudio)

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Música & tecnologia - ed. 28 [1991] - Cover history (Mr. Baptista appears with innovative 12 channel mixer with a size of a4 paper format totally conceived and designed in CADD).

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[edit] 4 Contested deletion

This page should not be speedy deleted because the page is semi-protected and it's impossible to improve it, as it's suggested in the 'Rescue' tag, same page!

How to improve an article which is semi-protected?. There is a new tag in the page Géa proposing its rescue. That tag suggests to improve the article. When I was trying to include the new strong refferences I just find in the above entering from another IP, I discovered that the page cannot be edit; so, cannot be improved, at least by me, who am not member of En Wiki. What can I do to improve the page, which I think is very good, or what can En Wiki members with access to the page do to improve it with the above references? Thank you in advance for what you may do!187.13.107.90 (talk) 12:34, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

[edit] 5 Contested deletion

This page should not be speedy deleted because Claudio César is an author that is not supported by traditional publishers and has a great contribution to culture, philosophy and science. As a free encyclopedia, I understand Wikipedia as the right space for Géa at the www. Marcelo M. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marmachster (talk • contribs) 14:14, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
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Related to the AfD for the author Cláudio César Dias Baptista. This book does not appear to meet WP:N. While the Portuguese language sources are a little hard to sort out, none appear to be significant coverage. Daniel 15:36, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

The article Géa and the page Cláudio César Dias Baptista which En Wiki members considered at first good to be published here are suffering a political attack from the En Wiki member named Antiuser.Cláudio César Dias Baptista (talk) 16:03, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Comment: All I did was remove a piece of original research from the article. The matter is being discussed at WP:AN/I#WikiHounding / Article ownership issues / Possible IP socks. XXX antiuser eh? 16:30, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

delete It's very long, but that doesn't convey notability and not much else is seeming to. Besides, any book with a technicolour fractal on the cover and that isn't by Mandelbrot or similar should be burned. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:04, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Anyone who says that any book should be burned should be burned him/herself.187.14.113.31 (talk) 16:17, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Please cool down, Andy was making a joke. I'm sure he didn't mean that the book should actually be burned, just that the cover was not to his taste. --Daniel 16:31, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

No, I've read the whole article now. BURN! Andy Dingley (talk) 17:08, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

As you see, dear Daniel, Andy is insisting in his childishness. You have a clearer mind, please read again the article and consider the sources mentioned there as the importance they really have in Brazil and Portuguese language countries. The book is great, I've read it! You can read it too, in www.ccdb.gea.nom.br, as I see by your phrase 'Portuguese language sources are a little hard to sort out'; so, you can read Portuguese to judge the quality of these sources and, so, you can also read the book! If you like Portuguese language, you will love to read the book as I did and, perhaps, as myself, learn a lot of that great language - there is no better source today, and the book Géa includes a thousand page dictionary also delightful to people who love Portuguese language. If not by the language, the lexicon twice William Shakespeare, you may be perhaps enchanted with the histories inside the twelve volumes of the book. Regards187.14.112.27 (talk) 17:43, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 01:28, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Delete - On the Portuguese Wikipedia, there is an article for the author, but even there, not for the book. The sources are just not robust enough to support a separate article for the book. Also, the article text is really fails to establish why the book is notable, other than opinion and plot summary. jsfouche ☽☾Talk 01:49, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Do not delete - Let's be rational and cool, analyzing the page. Here are the positive points: The author invested more than ten years of his life in writting a book, moreover, a twelve 250 pages volume book. The author composed a 1,000 pages dictionary to complement the book. The author utilized a lexicon twice the William Shakespeare lexicon in his whole opera and six times the lexicon of Camões in "Os Lusíadas". The author created a new language with extra words, doesn't matter if it's named an 'extraterrestrial language' or not. The author illustrated himself the twelve volumes with more than 700 3D pictures, so, he had to learn 3D Computer Graphics to do these illustrations and also the thirteen covers for Géa. The author studied programming languages for computer to create himself the active pages in a site also created by himself to publish himself the book. The author applied his audio experience to perfection the sound of the reading. The author wrote also metrified poems inside the book. The author of Géa composed music for the book. The author proposed complete inventions in the books which could work if tested in laboratory. The author abandoned his profitable carreer in audio to write the book. The author created more than one thousand characters for the book. The description of these characters is interesting in the page Géa. The author presented a Theory, the 'biorrelatividade' in the book. The stories presented in the page are captivating for people who has the habit of reading books - at least they captivate myself. The quantity of references is more than enough and the quality of some of these references is unquestionable, as it's the case of the reporting in Jornal da Tarde, in the Revista Trip (very important in Brazil). And here are the negative points: The book is written in Portuguese, not yet translated to English; Brazil is not England nor USA; people who see the page Géa here in En Wiki can't easily judge the merit of the book because they can't read it. Now I ask myself: Are those negative poits really negative? Is not perhaps an injustice being done against a perhaps great work as it was done also against Don Quixote of Miguel de Cervantes and so many great books which were recognized long time after their writting? Or as the pictures of Vincent van Gogh, who sold only one of them during his life and which were recognized so late? If you search En Wiki for pages about other books, you will see that very few, if any, has the merits I mentioned above for the book Géa. So, I am forced to conclude that the cause of the deletion proposal is not the lack of importance of the opus, but another unknown cause, external to the page itself. And I don't want to be one of the persons who will be remembered as the ones who deleted the page of a book that shows everything to be perhaps recognized as a great work. I vote for the permanence of the page in En Géa in En Wiki.William T. Johannes (talk) 02:53, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

' The author invested more than ten years of his life in writting a book '
That's his problem. Did anyone pay heed to the end result? That's ours. Andy Dingley (talk) 08:04, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Note: I have blocked user:William T. Johannes as a checkuser-confirmed sockpuppet of user:Cláudio César Dias Baptista. JohnCD (talk) 19:17, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Let the page complete during its judgement! I noted that this Antiuser is removing important information from the page Géa during its period of judgement for deletion. That's not a good policy. I would kindly suggest that the page is semi-protected in its complete form during that period. How can people judge the merit of a page which content is being reduced? That procedure is not what I understand as Justice nor what I understand as En Wiki policy.187.13.17.74 (talk) 03:14, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


Do not delete, please - I would ask them not delete nothing in the text. If it is a text that talks about a book or author is a way to have thorough research on it.I read the book Géa and I found everything the article written here on En Wiki informs thus removing some of the text as it would erase part of the book and the story of the author. Any of you ever read a book and thought the best part of the book, the pages are blank? That's what I imagine to deleting some of the text that refers to something, like we're erasing part of it. I ask you to please leave the full text of Géa, otherwise they will be erasing part of the book, not just the description, for future readers may not know what the book actually contains. 201.75.82.71 (talk) 13:38, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Delete per WP:N. The attempts to establish notability demonstrate the lack of it. NebY (talk) 16:56, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Do not delete. The attempts to estabilish notability demonstrate that it is real.187.13.68.58 (talk) 17:18, 11 June 2011 (UTC) — 187.13.68.58 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

WP:ITEXISTS is a very poor argument for keeping, and one that makes no demonstration of notability whatsoever. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 07:29, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Do not delete!. Well, that is a big disrespect to Brazilian literature. You guys are not talking about a mere book of 10 pages written "yesterday", but an entire collection, which took 10 years to writes it. It is a richly detailed stories, never told by no one else! GEA is a series of books with differentiated and intelligent language, which is not found in any other book in Brazil. I believe GEA is part of the highest Brazilian literature, it is very important to all Brazilians. Likalileal (talk) 14:47, 12 June 2011 (UTC) — Likalileal (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Delete: no indication that this topic meets WP:NBOOK. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 07:27, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Do not delete Aren't 'third party sources' the persons who support here the page Géa? Aren't these third party sources (those persons) presenting other third party sources, as is the case of Professor Júlio Martins Jcms1506br, with his brilliant and rich comments and references in the page Cláudio César Dias Baptista also proposed for deletion, where he present the origin of book Géa and the third party references about the quality of that book? The fact is that there is a cruzade against a notable Brazilian, moved by another Brazilian, Mr. Antiuser. The page Géa present much more than the minimum references required by En Wiki, and the majority of these references are strong and notable. There are pages in En Wiki about persons who did nothing for the world, as for example some that you may find via Baronetage of the United Kingdom page. And there are pages about musicians, for example Túlio Mourão who were not more than hired persons in the Os Mutantes group and with only one (!) reference, only one external link (!) who nobody proposed for deletion. Cláudio César Dias Baptista was the founder of Os Mutantes group, was the person because of whom that group reached international renown, the page of his name is extremelly complete in references... but is being proposed for deletion, not only the page of his name but also the page of his main work, Géa. Why? Without him, there would never exist Os Mutantes and much less Túlio Mourão would have a page here in En Wiki. I can see only one reason: Cyberbulling, envy, people trying to make name at the expense of his illustrious name. So, although this page is not a place for voting but for consensus, I 'vote' for do not delete. 187.13.81.213 (talk) 11:55, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Do not make pointless irrelevant rants: I did not mention "third party sources" and you made no response to my point that THERE IS NO INDICATION THAT THE TOPIC MEETS WP:NBOOKS. So your comment is a complete non sequitor (as well as raising no issue relevant to this AfD). HrafnTalkStalk(P) 12:05, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

For your meditation, Administrators of English Wikipedia. I know the En Wiki has rules. These rules are valuable and the fruit of long-term work of its members, without forgetting its founders, Jimmy Wales and Larry Sanger. Herself Wikipedia and every page that it contains have behind its creation and its existence the human impulse to friendship, excitement, enthusiasm. Who would create a page to present something that is not emotional, not something to which this value (and value is the result of emotion, not only reason)? Who would create a virtual encyclopedia without this magnificent engine that is the emotion? So if there is a page Cláudio César Dias Baptista and a page Géa on En Wiki, that's because there is enough emotion in people who created those pages; It's because that emotion and reason and objectivity emerged and turned the pages into reality. For the same reason, emotion, friendship, people find themselves inducted as members of the En Wiki devoted admiration and respect for Cláudio César Dias Baptista and his work, both as a specialist in audio and as a writer of Géa and several other books. These people, in launching these pages and their reasons for their entries here to ask for not deletion are not a 'party' politics, have no commercial interest or personal, but have that emotion and friendship and the respect and admiration for the writer and the work. For all that I ask the respected members of the Administration of English Wikipedia, the ones who will reach the consensus on whether or not erase the pages Cláudio César Dias Baptista and Géa, that meditate upon this modest paragraph, also the result of emotion, to consult their souls and their reasons for everything they do - and if they feel and conclude the same that I, do not delete these pages, which only bring the Good and the Information, besides being a milestone in the En Wiki, with this discussion in favor of Emotion and Friendship, and this does not violate the En Wiki Rules and the Reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.13.81.213 (talk) 11:49, 14 June 2011 (UTC) — 187.13.81.213 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

This article shows the proof that the name Géa exists in printed books and also shows one of the starting points of the book Géa. The article also shows the dedicated work of the author Cláudio César Dias Baptista, his attention for the persons who payed nothing more than the cost of the artisanal printing of the technical book and his dedication for his friends. The article was posted by Professor Júlio Martins and the following link I extracted from his defense of page Cláudio César Dias Baptista against deletion in En Wiki: https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B4Imqu0xjVLqMDYzM2I1NjctMDEzNC00ZGY0LThmNjgtMTYyNWFiZGU2YmQy&hl=pt_BR

Please see also this articles from tradicional and well known audio magazines in Brazil. The articles are one of the proofs of the notability of Cláudio César Dias Baptista, author of Géa, here proposed for deletion.

From Backstage magazine, Nº8 (1995) - The hidden face of Mutantes (original title in portuguese: A Face oculta dos Mutantes)

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B4Imqu0xjVLqZTQyMTdkZGYtOWYxMy00ZjQ2LWI5MzUtMGRiZjdiMGQwMjRm&hl=pt_BR

From Backstage magazine, Nº 27 (1997) - An audio Luthier ( Orig. title in portuguese: Um luthier de áudio)

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B4Imqu0xjVLqNGZiYTkwYWMtNTQxYi00MGI5LTg5MDQtZmZlNzUxMGE4YmU4&hl=pt_BR

Música & tecnologia - ed. 28 [1991] - Cover history (Mr. Baptista appears with innovative 12 channel mixer with a size of a4 paper format totally conceived and designed in CADD).

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B4Imqu0xjVLqNjM0YWEyMDQtNTVhOS00ODNhLWJkYzQtNjdiNDU1YzU2MzZj&hl=pt_BR -- 187.13.81.133 (talk) 12:16, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

How to improve an article which is semi-protected?. There is a new tag in the page Géa proposing its rescue. That tag suggests to improve the article. When I was trying to include the new strong refferences I just find in the above entering from another IP, I discovered that the page cannot be edit; so, cannot be improved, at least by me, who am not member of En Wiki. What can I do to improve the page, which I think is very good, or what can En Wiki members with access to the page do to improve it with the above references? Thank you in advance for what you may do! 187.13.107.90 (talk) 12:29, 14 June 2011 (UTC)